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Christianity; an athiests perspective.

Christianity; The popular belief that a celestial Jewish baby who is also his own father, born from a virgin mother, died for three days so that he could ascend to heaven on a cloud and then make you live forever only if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your lord & master so he can remove an evil force from your spiritual being that is present in all humanity because an immoral woman made from a man's rib was hoodwinked by a talking reptile possessed by an malicious angel to secretly eat forbidden fruit from a magical tree.

4) born from a virgin mother,

An impossible prophesy.

The purpose of a virgin birth was the fulfillment of a very specific prophesy that was written 600 years before it happened, and was considered impossible in their time. It had always required a male and female to mate in order to get pregnant. Every single case... until Jesus.

Isaiah 7: 14

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

A virgin conception identified a very specific soul (God) out of the billions that would take on the flesh (us). As a bonus to that verse, Immanuel means "God with us".

There are a lot of things that would seem like magic to the people back then, but we view as common today. If we went back 2,000 years and I pulled out a cell phone and started calling people, it would be magical. It took us time to get to this point, because we're learning to use the elements of the earth. The cell phone wasn't really impossible then, all the elements were already here. We just didn't know how to put them together yet. It wasn't a flesh or evolution thing. It was a technology thing.

There is technology described in the Bible that is still way beyond our comprehension today, and yet it existed back then. Those on the other side of the veil aren't limited by the "learn as you go" that we have been pressing through. That's a condition of being born with no knowledge, and building as we go, standing on the shoulders of those before us. What once was impossible became routine.

Modern medicine today has procedures that allow a virgin to get pregnant: intrauterine insemination (IUI) and in vitro fertilization (IVF). If we can do it now in the flesh, surely those in the whirlwind back then could have. They are beyond where we are, and we can already do it. Our technology is our limitation, not theirs.

It doesn't matter how a virgin conception happened. What matters is it isn't impossible for what is written to have happened.

Ezekiel's technology.

You're chasing a false vision if you think aliens are coming and going from some other distant planet. Don't you think there would be a lot more activity if there were highways in the sky? Then again we are just as limited from seeing through outer space as we are of seeing the gulf (where the other souls are). How do you know what they see in the stars from the gulf? We are looking from our three dimensional restraints and we can't even see the gulf.

Aliens are not exotic creatures or civilizations. It's us from the other side interacting with us here now on the game board of life in the flesh. They are not aging because they are eternal, and they are not limited to the technology we have, because the examples of their visits are way beyond us. Who was in the vehicles that flew in formation, and had the flags of the tribes?

Ezekiel 1: 4

And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

The initial whirlwind is the result of our atmosphere reacting to the entry for what come out of the whirlwind. Amber means "highly polished bronze" or "glowing metal". The translation could be interpreted as they appeared to the eye as glowing metal.

Ezekiel 1: 6

And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

He said every one, so that means there was more than one amber thing with four faces and wings.

Four represents the directions (north, south, east, and west). Remember Ezekiel is describing a flying disc. On a disc each side is as the front side. Four faces means the ability to see any direction without turning the head. The four wings is the ability to go any direction. You know wings can't be on all four sides and fly, glide, or soar. They are described as wings because back then everything that could fly had wings. These discs are up in the air, and doing maneuvers in unison with the others, in any of the four directions.

Ezekiel 1: 7

And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

This describes the landing gear. They had straight legs with pod like feet. They were metallic in appearance.

Ezekiel 1: 8

And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

They were under a person's control. He's saying there was a pilot who controls the wings, and takes them in any direction.

Ezekiel 1: 9

Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

They stayed in formation whether flying or landing. When they did maneuvers they kept relational formation without having to turn (like an animal needs to turn its head to change direction). For these flying discs the back becomes the front, or the side becomes the front, which is much different from watching a group of planes that require forward momentum to make any directional changes.

Ezekiel 1: 10

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

The faces for each vehicle was different because each vehicle had a flag (or standard) that represented their tribe. These are the symbols on the flags of the tribes. The face of man is the tribe of Rueben, the Lion is Judah, and the Ox is Ephraim. Do we not have country flags on all aircraft?

Ezekiel 1: 17

When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

Remember the most technology Ezekiel has seen so far is probably a donkey cart. All the wheels he has seen have been upright rolling on edge, whereas these are lying flat. That's why it appeared the wheels were on their sides. A circle on its side also helps explain why they didn't have to turn their heads to change direction because a circle is always facing the direction it needs to go.

Ezekiel 1: 18

As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

They could go so high up it was terrifying, and the edges had windows around them with people looking out. Eyes looking out windows. After all they were under a man's control.

Ezekiel 1: 24

And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

The engines sounded like rushing water. They moved and took direction from the Almighty… That puts God in the scene, and these others ships representing the tribes. They landed and throttled their engines down, but everyone maintained a ready position.

Ezekiel 1: 25

And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

A voice came from the clouds as they stood on their landing gear and upon command they shut down the engines, or let down their wings.

Ezekiel 1: 26

And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Here we have a throne descending from above the parked vehicles.

Ezekiel 1: 28

As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

And there it is… the likeness of the glory of the LORD. He wasn't giving an analogy or parable. He was doing his very best to describe how God traveled to and from to visit him.

UFO's are only unidentified to us.

Elisha's technology.

God used the same craft that Ezekiel saw to help Elisha. These craft are the horses of the Bible. The same everyone alive today wants to know if are real or not? They appear and disappear, but we never see them coming or going from some distant place. That's because they are already here, behind the very veil that was lifted for Elisha...

2 Kings 6: 16

And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

2 Kings 6: 17

And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

2 Kings 6: 18

And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.

A very simple task for a couple of squadrons UFOs strafing men armed with spears...

These two examples of interaction give knowledge so you don't have to "just believe". That's always a big red flag. It wasn't "just believe" that Mary was a virgin at delivery, because she was. She had to be within the rules or it would have voided a very important prophesy. Game over. How did it happen back then isn't the focus. The fact she did is everything.

Mary did not require sex, because if it can happen today, why not then? This does not take away or degrade anything from the holiness that occurred. It's simply a dry explanation to a doubting audience that it could happen. It's not impossible.

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